Debating RSI, the US-China Gap, and Jaggedness with JS Denain of Epoch AI
This episode is with Jean-Stanislas “JS” Denain of Epoch AI, who leads their Insights Team and is one of the people I find myself debating the state and trajectory of AI with more and more. We’ve had follow-on discussions of many of my favorite recent posts online and/or in private, so I wanted to dig into the nuance in a public episode. A big takeaway of this podcast is how JS and I both have so much uncertainty with exactly where we are heading, and this was our best effort at stating our observations today. Chapters / topics include: - 00:00 Predictions for RSI - 18:15 The role of robotics in an AI acceleration - 24:20 How far behind are Chinese models? - 27:39 Does distillation explain the gap? - 40:58 What Chinese job postings reveal about their labs - 48:13 Are open or closed models safer? - 58:10 How Epoch AI ticks - 1:00:55 What a frontier post-training recipe looks like Enjoy! More from JS: Epoch AI profile and writing , X , LinkedIn Share Listen on Apple Podcast


